Refrigerator Moms

Julianna Scott 00:00
What's been going on on social media? What is everybody talking about, and what will shock Julianna today?
Julianna Scott 00:10
Hi, I'm Julianna Scott, and I'm here with my friend Kelley Jensen, and we are the Refrigerator Moms. So, Kelley, what did you dig up for me today?
Kelley Jensen 00:18
Well, this is one of our episodes where I try to shock you, and you say, as always, but I have more questions.
Julianna Scott 00:24
I will. Am I gonna have more questions?
Kelley Jensen 00:29
Oh, definitely. Okay, this first one is about Pokemon. Did I say that right? And I know that that was your son's special interest, and I know it's very popular. And as we know, that when an autistic person has a special interest, they can just grind it to.
Julianna Scott 00:47
Everything else is a screeching halt. Right. We used to go on walks. I used to take him for walks to kind of mellow them out a little bit. And most of the walk would be about Pokemon.
Kelley Jensen 00:56
And I would have to say, okay, now it's my turn to talk about something. But I know I, too, know a lot about Pokemon.
Julianna Scott 01:02
Yes, you do.
Kelley Jensen 01:03
So Pokemon cards, ASD interest with PDA demand, which cracks me up that they would have PDA demand.
Julianna Scott 01:15
It's like, you know, with all due respect, I'm gonna stop you right there, because my son never had a PDA label, but his fascination with the lawnmower could have met.
Kelley Jensen 01:23
Matched any PDA demand.
Julianna Scott 01:25
Right. Okay. What. What's the.
Kelley Jensen 01:26
Cannot afford to buy every card he wants. The meltdowns are massive. Which, again, yeah, sat through a few of those. And I have tried all the suggestions from the PDA affirming therapist and coaches. Okay, so her thing is, what do I do?
Kelley Jensen 01:39
I can't handle these meltdowns. You know, when I say, no, you. I'm not buying you that. I cannot buy you that card.
Julianna Scott 01:44
Right.
Kelley Jensen 01:45
I've tried the redirecting. I've tried, you know, validating his feelings. I mean, she doesn't say what she's tried, but according to her, she's tried it all. And one response really stirred the hive mind. As you know, it is quite a silo in there.
Julianna Scott 01:58
I know.
Kelley Jensen 01:59
So I thought that the responses I thought were really funny. Okay, good. So sometimes no is just the answer, and the conversation is over. Let him have a meltdown.
Julianna Scott 02:08
That's okay.
Kelley Jensen 02:08
Was this poor lady's response. She really thought she was serving it up there, and, boy, did they come for her. And this is from the moderator, so, you know, she felt the need to get involved. Agree that PDA doesn't mean we buy everything our kids ask for.
Kelley Jensen 02:24
But we also approach this in a more PDA affirming way that can cause less activation and reactivity and feelings of rejection than just saying no and ending the conversation, which. Okay, she said, I've tried everything, so.
Julianna Scott 02:36
Right. Would you just say no and walk away with a friend or a spouse who made a request you couldn't fulfill in the moment? I mean, sometimes no is a complete sentence, so sometimes, yeah, actually I would, but.
Kelley Jensen 02:47
So that was stupid. So connection validation, co regulation, rather than offering authoritarian no and that's it. It. Because I said so parenting is not PDA best practices and came can make things so much harder than they need to be. Okay, so there were a couple people that said.
Julianna Scott 02:59
But she said she tried everything. Right. So then that caused this moderator to.
Kelley Jensen 03:04
Oh, no, shut off the comments. Well, yes, but not before she, like, decided that she was going to be a little bit more gracious than she was in her original smackdown answer.
Julianna Scott 03:17
So what is the PDA affirming? Oh, I'm getting into it. Okay, would you like. Would you like to know?
Kelley Jensen 03:20
I would like to know.
Julianna Scott 03:21
She refined her smackdown. Intense interest. Plus PDA is a challenging situation to navigate. Yeah, lady, who. Who.
Kelley Jensen 03:29
Who you telling that said you mentioned holidays, so he's likely bored and seeking dopamine. Dopamine is a really big excuse for everything. What other ways can he be engaged? Can you play Pokemon Go together? Are there Pokemon groups online or in person?
Julianna Scott 03:44
He's engaged. Not the issue. What other activities can fill his bucket? So I thought that was interesting because,. Correct me if I'm wrong, redirection.
Kelley Jensen 03:52
Redirecting. It is the behavioral equivalent of redirecting. So she who says that you should only doing PDA affirming things is rip went out. The classic redirect.
Julianna Scott 04:04
I know.
Kelley Jensen 04:05
Whipping it out right there. All these fancy names calling it dopamine. But she's redirect. Can you redirect them?
Julianna Scott 04:10
Yeah.
Kelley Jensen 04:11
Okay. But again, woman. According to this woman, she's done that. So we'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
Julianna Scott 04:14
Right?
Kelley Jensen 04:15
As a person that has. Has done all of the things and I've called it redirecting or I have called it dope. Whatever I've called it, I've still had to sit through a few meltdowns. I'm gonna take her word for it that she's tried this.
Julianna Scott 04:26
Right?
Kelley Jensen 04:26
Yeah. Her next thought, because she keeps going. She's digging herself. My next thought is to lean into what we call solving for. Yes.
Julianna Scott 04:33
Oh, yes. That's really great card to add to your collection. Let's take a photo or add it to your cart, and when we have more money, we can get that for you. So that's a terrible idea. That's a sticker chart is all that is.
Kelley Jensen 04:49
Let's just, like, put it out there, right? Like, let's practice delayed gratification.
Julianna Scott 04:55
Right? Like, let's answer for. Yeah.
Kelley Jensen 04:56
Yes, you're gonna get it, but first you're gonna wait.
Julianna Scott 05:06
Oh, my God. Okay. I'm thinking back on my experiences with my son as a small child. And if I had used that.
Kelley Jensen 05:07
First of all, if they're already in the meltdown, that's not gonna work because they want it now and then, to me, I'm already thinking, like, well, that's gonna. Cause depending on the kid. I mean, for mine, that never worked because he would just be hounding me on when he would get it and how he would qualify, and that would really amp him up. And so that. Actually, that system would cause more anxiety,.
Julianna Scott 05:36
Especially if you weren't saying, okay, here it is. You're gonna earn a dollar a week. Right? I mean, my son would have been more inclined to go for the dollar a week, right? Cause it would have.
Kelley Jensen 05:47
I mean. Cause he could have waited until he got.
Julianna Scott 05:50
Yeah. And then he would have made the rounds to call everybody, to hound everybody for a dollar. So similar.
Kelley Jensen 05:55
Ready for next one? Even though that's just sticker chart, She's. She's doing the sticker charts that they abhor there, right? Similarly, I try to help my PDA or figure out ways he can make some of these wants happen. Okay, ready?
Julianna Scott 06:07
Can we start saving the classic. Okay, first of all, does she know how much Pokemon cards. Well, and that. Well, first of all, start saving. That's a sticker chart, Right?
Kelley Jensen 06:16
I'm sorry, but if you're saving money, you might as well just give him a star. Right? Which they hate sticker charts. Can we sell off unused toys or former items of interest? Again, he's in a meltdown.
Julianna Scott 06:27
An interesting idea, but not the time or place. No. If he's meltdown, can we save birthday money? I mean, I'm assuming this woman is not. I mean, is this really good advice, lady?
Kelley Jensen 06:37
I got that. It's not. Can we afford the card? We've established we cannot.
Julianna Scott 06:42
Right.
Kelley Jensen 06:43
Well, and maybe she can't. I don't know. But she doesn't want to buy the card.
Julianna Scott 06:48
Right? So.
Kelley Jensen 06:49
So, because I. I mean, I'm thinking back to my Pokemon days again. This is very triggering for me because. Because, you know, the hardest thing is you're in target and they see a pack of cards and they want the pack of cards. And then it's never enough.
Julianna Scott 07:04
Right.
Kelley Jensen 07:05
Because then they get the pack of cards and the card they want, they're disappointed, and then that's a whole meltdown. Like the whole thing. And then if you are buying specific cards online, I know that now we're going deep, but like if you are going for those cards, it's not just a dollar. Most likely if he wants a very specific card.
Julianna Scott 07:22
Right.
Kelley Jensen 07:23
And then once he gets that card, there's going to be more cards. Right. And it's. It's a never. There's always more Pokemon cards.
Julianna Scott 07:29
And that's why she has no more birthday money. Because I'm going to give the woman that she post this question because she's already thought to do all these things right adjacent to this. Keep running. Keep. A running list can be helpful as well.
Kelley Jensen 07:41
A running list. So one of the things is making lists. I mean, is that not a classic behavioral intervention? You make a list of the things. Can I get X cards?
Julianna Scott 07:50
Question comes up. Utilize the solving approach. Solve for yes. And see if you can turn this into a dopamine digging activity. Let's sit down and make a list of which cards are the coolest.
Kelley Jensen 08:00
Again, going for a walk. That would escalate the situation 100%. For my kid, that would totally escalate the situation. If we're making a list of all the cards he wanted that he didn't have and wouldn't know when he would get those or what he would need to do to get those.
Julianna Scott 08:18
Oh my God.
Kelley Jensen 08:19
Including ones you have. I would have a meltdown. Ones you're hoping to collect. And then can you distract into having a discussion about why each card is so special? Of course you could.
Julianna Scott 08:30
That's what you used to do on your wallet. Okay, great. That's just gonna amp him up. It's like, yeah, I really love this card even more. I want it now.
Kelley Jensen 08:37
Right. Okay. So. So this is so again. That's the behavioral equivalent of saving earning.
Julianna Scott 08:42
Distracting. I don't know what this woman knows less about Pokemon cards or how to manage a meltdown.
Julianna Scott 09:15
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Kelley Jensen 09:16
She's deflected from the fact that the child's having a melt. She doesn't even use the word mountain. But are you ready for her final great advice?
Julianna Scott 09:27
Okay, great.
Kelley Jensen 09:27
Lastly, sometimes we just have to be ready for disappointment.
Julianna Scott 09:28
Lastly. No is no. Also lastly, we just went back full circle, full circle to the first thing, right?
Kelley Jensen 09:46
The key is to offer empathy rather than holding the hierarchy line of I said no, so it's no, but it is no. It is no.
Julianna Scott 09:47
I didn't get the vibe that she was not empathetic. She was just like, please help me. My kid's having a meltdown.
Kelley Jensen 09:59
Well, the equivalent of that is validating feelings, right? So it's important to have empathy when you're okay.
Julianna Scott 10:00
So, sure. I mean, of course I. I picked this one for a lot of reasons, but one of the reasons, and I know we drive this home a lot, is that these advice. This advice from these coaches is nothing new, right? It is nothing that you should be paying for because you've got access through it, through your insurance plan with classic. It's just renaming of classic behavioral interventions.
Kelley Jensen 10:20
And they skirt the main issue, which is that the child is having a meltdown.
Julianna Scott 10:41
Right. So she is taking the position that all of these interventions are gonna lessen the duration of a meltdown, I suppose, but I don't know. It's hard to tell because she never said the word meltdown because she refused to acknowledge that this woman was asking about a meltdown. Right?
Kelley Jensen 10:42
So that's the first thing.
Julianna Scott 10:46
Get out of these groups. You're not going to get out of these groups. Go to refrigeratormoms.com, look at our paper on tantrums, meltdowns, and panic attacks and listen to that episode, and it'll at least just validate some of your feelings about that. This is a real issue to be addressed and give you a starting point on how to do that. Because sometimes no is in fact.
Kelley Jensen 11:12
And spoiler behavioral intervention. Sometimes no is just no, no, because you don't really want to. And I know with my son, that was just. If I kept going, that was just negotiation. He just saw that as negotiation.
Julianna Scott 11:26
100%. And I am not the negotiator. My son was Even at, like 8 years old, you know, there's no way he's got game. And I would like to add that if this woman's son was having a meltdown and those things worked, he got no game compared to our children. Who could.
Kelley Jensen 11:44
I mean, they. They could have just been getting warmed up. Right? Oh, yeah. Oh.
Julianna Scott 11:48
Anyway, so the next thing is not really for me, it is for you. Because I would like you to tell everybody about the Jane Austen Society. Did you find that on social media?
Kelley Jensen 12:07
No, but I want you to tell everybody about your special interest.
Julianna Scott 12:09
Oh, my special interest because we have a segment that we are going to call.
Kelley Jensen 12:15
Well, we have started already. It's called not about autism. And one of the things that we talk about is books because we both love to read. You love to read on a professional level and you also love to read Jane Austen. So much so that you have been involved in the Jane Austen Society.
Julianna Scott 12:25
So we are gonna revisit slipped in. A little special interest thing in here. I thought special interest is the theme of the day. So I want you to tell one. How did you get involved in the Jane Austen Society?
Julianna Scott 12:36
Where did your special interest in Jane Austen come to be?
Kelley Jensen 12:48
Oh, that's an easy one. My mother, she introduced me to Jane Austen and I believe I was in like seventh grade and I wrote a. Book report,.
Kelley Jensen 12:50
So that's when I first read Jane Austen. And of course, the entry is often Pride and Prejudice, so that's the one I read first. But I didn't join the Jane Austen Society until I was in grad school.
Julianna Scott 13:04
So. In your 20s?
Kelley Jensen 13:04
In my 20s.
Julianna Scott 13:04
And where is the Jane Austen Society located?
Kelley Jensen 13:07
Well, it's the Jane Austen Society of North America, so that's where we're located. But we have regions, chapters all over the United States and Canada. There is a Jane Austen Society in the UK and actually there's Jane Austen societies all over the world.
Kelley Jensen 13:25
But I am part of jasna, Jane Austen Society of North America, the Northern California region. And we are quite a strong region. We have about 300 members and we're quite active. I was on the board. I'm no longer on the board, but I do still run the reading group.
Julianna Scott 13:45
So you are going to be moderating a discussion?
Kelley Jensen 13:47
Oh, well, yes, they asked me because we do have online events and we have in person events. We have an online event in September and the author of a book that we read for the reading group will be presenting. And so I was asked to moderate that event.
Julianna Scott 14:11
So if a person that is listening to this wants to join the Jane Austen Society and here you moderate this event, where can they find you?
Kelley Jensen 14:11
Jasminarcal.org but you can also go to the. To become a member of the Jane Austen Society, you have to become a member of the national organization and then you choose your region. So that's how that works.
Julianna Scott 14:23
But if you belong to the national organization, they have an annual general meeting, which I know you've heard me. You're going to take me one day and I'm going to wear full regalia.
Kelley Jensen 14:35
Yes, you can. I do not.
Julianna Scott 14:45
Some people think I'm kind of a buzzkill.
Kelley Jensen 14:46
You are, but they. They accept you whether you are wearing Regency garb or not.
Julianna Scott 14:47
But there is a ball where people dress up and they do country dancing. But I. And that's fun to watch. I don't participate, but they have great lectures, they have really great speakers all across the spectrum of academia and some more in pop culture and all kinds of things.
Kelley Jensen 15:08
And they have.
Julianna Scott 15:08
And they're usually hosted in an interesting city. Last year it was in Baltimore. This year it's in Tucson.
Kelley Jensen 15:17
So. Well, we are gonna be doing much more about Jane Austen.
Julianna Scott 15:18
You are gonna pick a book for our Not About Autism book club. And you're gonna pick a book and a movie. And there's definitely gonna be costumes when you do that. Okay. So you've read Jane Austen.
Kelley Jensen 15:27
Of course. But, you know, not with the fervor you have. And I'm looking forward to revisiting it through your eyes and your tutelage. Do you have a favorite book?
Julianna Scott 15:36
Pride and Prejudice.
Kelley Jensen 15:36
Okay. So. Yeah, but it's been. I think I was a teenager last time I read it. I mean, I've probably seen the book or I've always seen iterations of the movie several times since then.
Julianna Scott 15:45
And there's some new ones coming out. There's a new, I think, Pride and Prejudice and a new sense and sensibility coming out.
Kelley Jensen 15:55
Can't wait.
Julianna Scott 15:55
So. Can't wait to do it through such an expert eye.
Kelley Jensen 16:04
So look for more than that. But you don't have to be an expert to join the Jane Austen Society. You just have a lot of people. But a lot of people come at it through the movies and TV versions, things like that, and just get excited about it and join. So it's all levels of interest and engagement.
Julianna Scott 16:12
Well, more to come, More to come. And we're all looking forward to it. Okay, well, I didn't have more questions. Do you have more questions? You asked them all.
Kelley Jensen 16:20
No, I have more questions. Let's see. Back to the world of autism and the world of social media. Comments. ABA does nothing.
Kelley Jensen 16:27
Everything is fixable with ABA eye roll. Most of the BTs are entry level beginners. The ABA companies I have worked with so far have been nothing but chaotic. It just does not work. Okay, I put this one in because I do want to commiserate with, with parents.
Julianna Scott 16:45
Private equity.
Kelley Jensen 16:45
Yeah. Has created a very chaotic, very high turn on our system. There's not enough BCBAs.
Julianna Scott 16:54
Kids quitting, kids, college age, kids quitting is sort of always been a feature of aba. We've always been dealing with that. I would argue that some of that is good turnover. You don't want your kid getting too comfortable with just one person. But I understand that, you know, these kids aren't even lasting a month and they're getting paid criminal wages.
Kelley Jensen 17:11
So I want to commiserate. But then I want to also not encourage parents not to give up on the principles of aba because again, as we have seen on the last some. Of these parents principles are sound.
Julianna Scott 17:29
The principles are sound and regurgitated. And you wouldn't know that they're regurgitated if you don't have some study in what behavioral training is.
Kelley Jensen 17:29
And you do need, you can't do it yourself. You do need a professional to help you. And I again totally commiserate. It's highlighting all the things that we talked about in our episode about private equity and what it's done to aba. We fundamentally understand that obstacle, but it doesn't mean.
Julianna Scott 17:51
It just means you just have to do more work and making sure that you get what your child needs and you just gotta investigate who the company is and what their best practices are.
Kelley Jensen 18:13
Lean on the insurance companies.
Julianna Scott 18:14
Yes, lean on them. If they don't have good providers, put the onus on them to find you one. If you have to take a break, take a break.
Kelley Jensen 18:14
Negotiate more speech therapy.
Julianna Scott 18:21
But don't give up.
Kelley Jensen 18:22
But don't give up on it. I want to make that point. This is interesting.
Julianna Scott 18:22
Our state just enacted a state law prohibiting the use of cell phones and other personal electronic communication. Dev severe anxiety and school of violence. How do I get around the state law?
Kelley Jensen 18:36
Oh, get around the state law. And I was.
Julianna Scott 18:36
Who are you asking?
Kelley Jensen 18:36
I was kind of surprised about this that almost over 30 states have enacted this and this is the year where it's really kicking off. They are, you know, really driving home the point that there's going to be no bell to bell, no schools. It's still a bit different. It's interesting though because I feel like, and I haven't done a deep dive in this, but I feel like the parents are complaining more than the kids.
Julianna Scott 19:00
Well, that was a lot of the comments. A lot of people were like, we were worried about it too. Turned out to be the greatest thing ever, right? A lot of the kids were like, I can deal with it. And actually it was kind of nice.
Kelley Jensen 19:10
Yeah. And I mean it does take some detox and some getting used to. That was the point. But some parents reported that their kids liked it.
Julianna Scott 19:19
Right.
Kelley Jensen 19:19
I mean, even makes that make sense.
Julianna Scott 19:20
Right. Again, it goes back to when we talk about screen time and all these other things. Is the parents like the adults, we're all suffering from the addiction issues too. So don't put your addiction on your kids.
Kelley Jensen 19:33
Yeah. Don't be codependent. Well, there was also a lot of upset parents. And the thing they thought this was strange, the thing that they were upset the most about was that their kids relied on the phones to call them for support throughout the day. I'm having a bad day.
Kelley Jensen 19:50
I don't like the lunch.
Julianna Scott 19:50
Oh my gosh. All of those things, that to me. Is one more reason to take the phone away. Again, we keep talking about this. It's like kids don't have enough friction. Right. So they need to figure it out.
Julianna Scott 20:04
Right. 100%.
Kelley Jensen 20:04
So maybe don't assume it's going to be a problem. Maybe go in and put some more scaffolding if it is a problem.
Julianna Scott 20:19
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Kelley Jensen 20:47
There was one parent that said, I just gave my daughter, you can email me if you need me from the, you know, they had a Google account or whatever that the kids could use because they're using the Internet for school.
Julianna Scott 20:47
Right. So you can always access Google. And it was good because the daughter knew she had it unless she needed it, which I thought was a clever parent. So the point is, I'm glad that, that schools are adopting this. It's good for the kids and it might be pain in the short term.
Kelley Jensen 21:03
I think they should bring back. I couldn't even think of the word a phone booth. Like back in the day, was there. A phone booth at school?
Julianna Scott 21:14
Yes, because I remember needing to call home sometimes.
Kelley Jensen 21:14
There was a phone booth.
Julianna Scott 21:23
Oh my God, that's so funny.
Kelley Jensen 21:23
There is a phone booth. I mean, you never had to wait in line, right? I remember that there was definitely a phone booth because I remember needing to call once in a while.
Julianna Scott 21:25
But yeah, if you really need to call home, like get a phone Booth,.
Kelley Jensen 21:33
Go to the office.
Julianna Scott 21:33
I think I need to. I mean, yeah, you can go to the office if you don't really need to. I do remember that.
Kelley Jensen 21:33
That is so funny. And then who were we talking to the other day? They said there used to be a. Smoking section in the high school. They had a smoking section.
Julianna Scott 21:41
Oh, really?
Kelley Jensen 21:41
Yeah. Who were you talking.
Julianna Scott 21:44
You were with me. Was I?
Kelley Jensen 21:44
I don't remember that.
Julianna Scott 21:44
I just thought before we've come.
Kelley Jensen 21:45
I know, I know. But no, I say bring back the phone booth.
Julianna Scott 21:51
Yeah, I think the phone booth is a great idea.
Kelley Jensen 21:53
Hang in there. It's not the end of the world.
Julianna Scott 22:07
So the last thing I wanted to talk about is all over social media, and that is the Lindsey Clancy trial. And this is so upsetting for both of us.
Kelley Jensen 22:08
It's upsetting for a lot of people.
Julianna Scott 22:08
We certainly are not going to debate the trial. We're not going to get into, you know, the specifics of anything other than to say that we really feel like whether or not she was mentally ill has been. It was first debated by her care team who. She wasn't sick enough to be admitted.
Kelley Jensen 22:31
She was, she wasn't.
Julianna Scott 22:31
She was, she wasn't. You know, so we're still debating whether or not obviously she's mentally ill. You know, she did these horrible things to herself, to her children. So when are we gonna stop debating and have better access to long term care? When it's obvious that people need it. That's the first thing I. Yeah, you.
Kelley Jensen 22:48
Had mentioned this to me. I purposely had stayed away from any information. I didn't even click on one story before you told me about it because I just can't deal with moms killing kids. I just, you know, it's just. I just.
Julianna Scott 23:01
Yeah, so but when you told me about it, I started looking at it and, and regardless of the details of the trial, just seeing the list of medications that she was on and the timeline, I mean, that should give anyone pause. And I'm not saying what bearing it has on her mental state and whether or not, again, we're not gonna litigate it, but that definitely gave me pause just to see that that shouldn't happen in any circumstance, regardless of what the outcome was. And it happens too often. And so the point I wanted to make about this case is check out our paper about do not self diagnose, do not opinion shop for the purpose of getting medication. Because a lot of people, and she was a nurse, she thought this medication didn't work.
Kelley Jensen 23:48
I'll try this medication. Psychotropic medications. Have a very specific titration up, titration down. You do not go cold turkey on them. They can cause extreme and you should.
Julianna Scott 23:58
Have a consistent person overseeing this.
Kelley Jensen 23:58
Yes.
Julianna Scott 23:58
So from the outside looking in, I can't see how the mental health teams are not negligent in over prescribing this person. That's again for the jury to decide. But if you are listening and you are watching, if you have a child or if you are on psychotropic medications, be very careful to get blood work.
Kelley Jensen 24:21
If you are struggling with postpartum depression, talk to gynecologist, talk to your kid's pediatrician. Take it very seriously and go slow with medications and going off them as well.
Julianna Scott 24:44
Absolutely. All right, Take care. Tune in next time for our next episode and like subscribe and all the things that you do for the Refrigerator.
Kelley Jensen 24:44
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Julianna Scott 24:44
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Julianna Scott 24:44
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Julianna Scott 25:09
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